Outhaul cylinder surprises

boom travels for welding
boom needs welding
Outhaul cylinder
Outhaul cylinder
Outhaul cylinder

Thu 6 May, HHN day 23: Outhaul cylinder finally submits to Captain, but then find the seal kit from Selden has incorrect components. Also, boom travels to welding shop.

Glorious day today, as forecast. Clear skies and perfect cool spring temperatures after the tropical unpleasantness of yesterday. Determined to finish the outhaul piston seal change today, I’m out removing the cylinder end fitting and draining the oil by 8am. Almost 2 gallons of it! No wonder the damn thing weighs so much.
With the end fitting slid off the rod, next is to pull the piston out of the cylinder. But it won’t budge, not even one mm. I had to screw the sheave carriage back on the end of the rod so I have something to pull on, while my feet and legs push against the cylinder (you can imagine the pose). Ray arrives the very moment the piston suddenly decides to give up this tug-of-war and I roll backwards in the gravel… the piston clearly thinks it’s a huge joke! The sight amused Ray too.

Once the piston had made its initial movement, it now comes out easily, especially with 2 of us on the job. It’s amazing just how long this piston rod is. And to think it is fully extended most of the time, when the mainsail is furled away in the mast.
We can now take a look at the condition of the seals. The wiper seal, which is fully exposed to the elements, is perished, but all the other seals that have been inside, in the oil, seem perfect. And I suddenly feel a bit silly having taken the whole thing apart. But wait …

On closer inspection, the main rubber seal on the outside of the piston shows some wear and is stiff. Certainly time to change that one. On the outhaul cylinder end fitting, the external static seals (that get no movement) are fine. But internally, where the piston rod goes back-and-forth through the end fitting, things are not so good.
The wiper seal failure has let moisture inside, and the main internal seal it clearly also just about to fail. There is rust all around it. If this had failed then moisture would have entered the cylinder and done all sorts of damage, not to mention leaking hydraulic oil raining down from the boom. So now I’m happier. It WAS the right time to do this. So let’s get on with it.

Removing the old wiper seal is a challenge as usual. And cleaning up the corrosion around the internal seal not very easy either. A Dremel wire brush does the trick. But now the problem: I open the seal replacement kit from Selden to find it both incomplete and 2 seals the wrong size.
The 6 seals for the piston end are fine, and I get them changed OK. But on the end fitting the outer seals are clearly the wrong size and the internal guide rings are absent from the kit. Hmmm. Looks like I won’t be completing this today after all.
And while my passion is high, I fire off an email to Mr. Selden in Sweden, via HR-Parts. Let’s see what they have to say for themselves. One thing is for sure, they won’t be replying for days or even weeks. They never do (Selden that is).

With the piston end seals changed, I decide to at least get that and the rod back into the outhaul cylinder. With the new seal, the damned thing needs some serious “persuading” to go in the first few millimeters. I try various sizes of knockometers right up to a 1 metre length of 4-by-2 timber. Eventually, I rig up our 4-to-1 block and tackle we use to hoist the outboard from rail to dinghy, and manage to haul it in that way. You just gotta think outside the box sometime, to get things done.

Well, only half a job done, unfortunately. However, right now I don’t have a boom to put back into anyway.
Before Ray left this morning, we took the boom for a trip down to the welding shop, using East Coast Marine Rigging’s dolly with me sitting on the tailgate of Ray’s pickup pulling the boom. One of those “accident about to happen” set ups. But we managed OK with no incidents.
Why the welding shop? We now have 2 sets of elongated holes where the vang fitting goes onto the boom, due to the huge force this powerful vang applies to the rig. The welder will fill the holes, which will allow me to re-drill and re-tap just one set. Been wanting to do this for a couple of years now.

That was my day. Not so fruitful as previous days, but you can’t win them all. Most days are 2 steps forward, 1 step back, and this summarises today.
And I am now exactly half way through this maintenance period. 3 weeks done. 3 weeks to go. I’d better get crackin’!

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2 comments

Denis Foster May 7, 2021 - 8:14 am
Hi Glen, If you take in account the weight qnd maintenance complexity of the hydraulic in boom Selden outhaul system, do you still think it has advantages when compared to the dyneema line that goes back to an aft electroc winch? I feel this more rustic system gives you also to feel in your hand the amount of tension when furling. In that way you see, hear and touch the furling unfurling process by the hydraulic (or electric) in mast furlining motor. Do you think you will find your adapted seals locally or will still bedependent of Selden. By the way I ordered a seal kit from Navtec for the back stay in case they would leak.. They strongly advise the vang to be servicedo only by a professional workshop since there is a high pressure gas inside. Great job you are doing and thanks for sharing successes and difficulties. Denis
Glen May 7, 2021 - 10:54 am
Denis, I've never used a furling mainsail with a normal outhaul line - the one on Cloudy is the only in-mast furling I've ever had. I have to say that I find it very simple to use. Just the press of a button. BUT, it did take several months to get the feel for it so that not too much tension is applied to the sail when unfurling. That said, I'm certain the manual outhaul would give you a better feel and much less likelihood do doing any damage (this hydraulic outhaul is extremely powerful). Yes, weight and maintenance are an issue but this is the first time its been out for 13 years now and we have used it alot. On the piston seals, HR-Parts got back to me. They think I ordered the wrong kit. My version of the piston is pre-2008 and I ordered the 2008 kit (boat was launched late 2008). The good news is that the seals which have movement on them are all OK from the kit, so I can replace those. And the other static seal, that are wrong in the kit, seem to be just fine as they are. So not sure if I wait for Selden to supply the right kit or not. Thinking about that one. One thing for sure, I want the boom completed before I leave in 3 weeks. And it ai'nt comin' out again! Yes, the vang is a tricky one. That gas pressure inside makes it extremely dangerous to dismantle if you don't know what you are doing. So we had that serviced professionally 2 years ago. Even then, it had to be re-done because the first riggers screwed up the seal installation. Although the backstay piston is simpler, with no gas pressure, I will be sending that one to professional too, because you need special tools to get the glide rings in. plus it's very easy to damage the outside of the alloy cylinder trying to take it apart. Glad you like the blog writeups. The number of readers seems to be increasing steadily, so I must be doing something right!

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